Hi folks ,
Looking for any relations for a Lucy ellen Gardiner lived mostly in Melbourne from 1900 until her death in 1955
In St Kilda.
She was married to Harry James Gardiner ( born in Wales 1890 ish ) emigrated to Aus six months old .
Unfortunately he joined up with Australian Army and left to fight in northern France in 1915.
He got injured at the front line and was hospitalised to the uk where he fell in love with a girl and never went back to Australia and had left his wife and two children.
There's a lot more to this story but I'm desperate to find any ancestors from Lucy and the two children.
By the way I'm Harry's grandson and feel a great deal of gilt that he had deserted his family.
So if any could help that would be amazing.
You can e-mail me at funkydunky10@gmail.com
My name is Duncan Lewis

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Comment by Duncan David Lewis on August 24, 2017 at 10:13
Update to this story , Harry's birth date was in fact 1877
Comment by Sylvia on September 4, 2017 at 22:58

Duncan can you confirm that you are indeed after "ancestors" as requested in your original post? Or did you actually mean descendants?


Comment by Duncan David Lewis on September 5, 2017 at 7:55
Hi Sylvia, yes you are absolutely right I'm looking for any descendants can you help?
Comment by Sylvia on September 5, 2017 at 20:23

Only the daughters name and her husband, but I saw in an old 2012 post on Ancestry that you already knew her name:

Jean Evelyn Gardiner (possibly born b abt 1911 WA)  

Married 1934 VIC

to Jack Arthur Stevenson (Born 31 Jan 1911 Fremantle WA. Possibly died 20 Sep 1993 and cremated Springvale Cemetery VIC)


Do you know anything about the second child? Eg boy or girl, born in WA or SA?. (I understand the 2 children were both alive in 1915 and I found the family residing in Terrace Rd, Guildford WA (1906) and in South Australia (1913-1916), before Lucy returned to VIC until her death on 18 Jul 1955.)


Comment by Sylvia on September 5, 2017 at 20:35


#1 Have you acquired Lucy's death certificate yet as it might have some useful information. Cheapest option is to can order a scanned image of the original registration record ($25.10): https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj


#2 The public records office has Lucy’s will and probate (https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/node/653 ). Unfortunately it is not online.  I visited PROV only recently and won’t be going again for quite a while, but if you haven’t got anywhere by then, I can have look for you.


Comment by Duncan David Lewis on September 6, 2017 at 5:46
Many thanks Sylvia,
Yes I've got Jean Evelyn Gardiner and her husband Jack ( this marriage didn't last long ,she was back with her mother after a few years and then her trail goes cold )
Unable to find any information on the second child but have ordered a death certificate for Lucy and hopefully the
Children's names will be on it ?
Great idea will and probate . What is PROV ? I'm in Melbourne in Feb for my sons wedding/ where are they based?
I've found the ship he sailed to Adelaide on / his Mother and Father and brother/ His parents also had three other
Children in Australia.
I live in the U.K and my son lives in Melbourne, Three miles away from where Harry and his wife lived 100 years
Thanks again
Comment by Sylvia on September 6, 2017 at 14:16

PROV is the Public records office of Victoria and is located in North Melbourne (On a side note, NAA Melbourne is co-located with PROV). Easy to get to with great parking facilities. Bring a USB stick, so that you can take advantage of their free camera facilities.

You’ll need to order any records some time in advance to give them time to retrieve them from storage (I tend to order stuff 1 or more days before my planned visit). Just follow the link that I gave previously. BTW I had a look at a few wills and probates a few weeks ago. Some had loads of great stuff, others not as much as I’d wanted.


It is intriguing how Jean seems to disappear after her mums death. I’ve had a look at various possibilities, but they all ended up leading nowhere. Did you order Lucy’s scanned death certificate online as I had expected the download link to have been available (almost) immediately? It would be great if you could tell us if there were any leads in it.

Finally, you've mentioned that Harry lived in VIC, but I was under the impression that he joined the army whilst in South Australia and that Lucy had moved to Victoria on her own (maybe to be closer to her family).

Comment by Delia Porter on April 24, 2019 at 13:52
The notation 'Trade - Glove Webber' is exactly that. If you have a look at the 1911 census for Corsham you will see a lot of occupations in the glove making industry, including 'glove webber' and 'glove factory, webbing room'. Walter was only aged 12 in 1911 and had no occupation, but I would say that once he left school he went to work in the glove factory before joining the Navy. google street view maps


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