Searching for information about my great grandfather John James Williams. His daughter Ella Kerzia Williams was my grandmother. Her sister was Ethel. Ella marriedCharles Hudson. Ethel married Thomas wardle who she left and I was told no one knew what happen to Ethel after she left Thomas
Rachel and John James divorced. I'm seeking any information about him. He worked on the railway. I think he remarried

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Comment by Debra on December 8, 2013 at 23:47

Hi Margaret,

We have previously tracked down Ethel WILLIAMS, she married Joseph WARDLE, not Thomas (see NSW BDM indexes where her name has been incorrectly transcribed as 'Eince' instead of Ethel).  Their son was named Thomas.

The information is on the following thread, and if you make a post on there Dianne will be notified and you can make contact

You will also see on that thread that Rachel FLOOD had another daughter, (Mary) Daisy Alma who married Henry Alfred GALLEGHAN, and she is named as the only surviving daughter in Rachel's obit.  This daughter married with the surname MILLER and I don't know who her father was.  I did look into it a bit but it was hard to go too far without purchasing certificates to confirm info - I think that Rachel also used the name Jane and had a number of ex-nuptial children.

To find a death for John James you really need his parents' names which should be on his marriage certificate.  If this is missing then you will need to track down the church records as it will definitely be recorded there.



Comment by Judy Jerkins on August 18, 2017 at 17:18

I just posted this as a reply to Dianne M Heinemann but you might grin too if this is part of your family history search...


If you could see the big, and I mean really B I G smile on my face you would laugh.  

I can take you back to where your Williams family tree married into my Jerkins family in 1825, Middlesex. and fill in lots of names and dates if you are still looking.


John James Williams was the oldest son of John Roche Williams and Mary Sophia O'Donnell.  

He was baptized 22.6.1851 in St Pancras, Camden and had siblings Daniel Thomas b 1856 Clerkenwell, Alfred Roche b 1858 Clerkenwell and William Thomas b 1860, Islington.


John Roche Williams was the oldest son of David Moseley Williams and Joanna Jerkins.

Today I found him on a tree at in which it was stated that he died in NSW.

I am intrigued to know why he got there?  Was he a convict too?

Despite their marriage certificate recording Joanna's surname as Juggins, she was actually the older sister of my gg grandfather William Jerkins who came to Tasmania in chains, 1830.  Their parents were William Jerkins and Bridget Coffey who married 1803 in Marylebone (from memory), a year after his discharge from the army.


Joanna's father died when she was about 5, her mother Bridget remarried to Thomas Gillespie 3 months later but she died when Joanna was about 13. I think Joanna was most likely raised by a relative of her mother, James Coffey, who witnessed her marriage.  

William, my ancestor does not appear to have been born, or christened and aged 2, after his father's death he was not kept with his siblings (I dont think). I dont know who he was raised by, but Joanna had her brother John with her for at least some of their childhood.

Reading through the tree online today, it seems children loosing parents when they were young is quite common for the family and as for changes of surnames...... well join the club!  I have wriggled my way through many.


Joanna Jerkins was born 1807 to William Jerkins an ex soldier who was probably in Canada 1792ish and who definitely fought hard with the 16th Queens Lancers during the French Revolutionary wars of the later 1790s.


I have not found the origins of David Mosely Williams but Joanna had 2 children with him before her death.  David remarried quickly to Sarah Cook and had more children. I have lots of certificates to share.


William my gg grandfather served his time in Tasmania and went to South Australia within weeks of the first ship arriving. There he got together with a lady who had 2 small daughters and together they had another 5 children, some who made it and some who did not.  Their descendants are mostly in Victoria.


I would be absolutely over the moon to share all I have with descendants of John James Williams or his siblings, grandchildren etc. They are part of my Jerkins family tree and I am truly ecstatic to have found relatives locally.



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